Wednesday, December 20, 2023

Politics by Law

Colorado's Supreme Court kicks Trump off the ballot (WSJ). I wrote earlier forecasting constitutional crisis with  next election. Legal chaos is starting right on schedule. 

Summary: Both sides are casting their opponents as illegitimate. That justifies profound norm-breaking behavior.  Political battles are being fought in the courts, so control of the courts and the judicial system now becomes vital to political success. When you can't afford to lose an election you do anything to win. Scorched earth rules the day. 

This affair offers a catch-22 to the Supreme Court. As a partisan chess move, you can't help but admire it. The case is weak, as even the judges voting for it admit. The election is coming up fast. There are many pending state cases to keep Trump off the ballot. The Supreme Court surely does not want to see elections more and more decided by courts. This will likely force the Court to act.

Letting the ruling stand, and having Trump off the ballot in several states, will inflame Trump supporters, and bolster their view that the justice system is hijacked by Democrats.  If it is overturned, Democrats will quickly cast it as a  "pro-Trump" partisan move, and use it to inflame their campaign to de-legitimize the court. Among other consequences, that will embolden the increasing habit of simply ignoring Supreme Court decisions.  The brouhaha may also scare the court over the many election cases that are headed its way like an avalanche in the next year.  It is  devilishly clever. If it were not so utterly destructive. 

The WSJ on these points. 

The ruling ... placed the Supreme Court in a position it likely would have preferred to avoid: having to resolve unprecedented legal issues that also ignite strong political passions among the nation’s electorate. ...  

A central legal question:  

One point of deep disagreement was whether removing Trump from the ballot violated his due process rights, given that he hasn’t been convicted of a crime and the pending criminal charges against him aren’t for insurrection.

... One dissenting justice was particularly vehement in opposition, saying it violated bedrock American principles to remove Trump from the ballot in this fashion. 

“Even if we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past—dare I say, engaged in insurrection—there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office,” Justice Carlos Samour Jr. wrote.

“I could see the Supreme Court worrying about that and saying if you’re going to disqualify someone you need to give them more of an opportunity to make their case because that’s such a momentous deprivation of liberty and rights,” said [David] Orentlicher, an elected Democrat...

Hypocrisy is hardly new in politics. But it is noteworthy that the party bleating most loudly about "threats to democracy" is so distrustful of democracy that it is waging legal battles to keep Mr. Trump from being democratically elected.  If it's so self-evident that Trump violated the Constitution and his oath of office, the correct remedy is to simply let voters not vote for him on that basis. The party supposedly of the little person does not trust that little person to make the most basic decisions.  

Pushing political battles into the judicial system really is a threat to democracy. In a lot of semi-autocratic countries, when someone loses an election, the winners  go after them on vague charges, impoverish them, family, and supporters, and often put them in jail if not worse. In response, people do everything in their power not to lose elections, no matter how many law and norms get broken along the way. The more political battles end up in court, the closer we come to that state. 

I repeat the warning from my last post. This is the tip of the iceberg. We have not just the 92 (is that the latest number?) charges against Trump. Redistricting will be a battleground. Campaign finance charges will be levied. Republicans are gearing up Hunter Biden charges. Every smudged postmark, every extended deadline will end up in court. The Supreme Court may end up making crucial decisions again. The losers will claim illegitimacy of both the winner and the process, and will spend the following 4 years in resistance. Stop now while you can. 

(I am moving to Substack. I will cross-post everything in both places until the bugs are worked out.) 

Update:

Thanks all for the thoughtful and mostly polite comments, on such a sensitive topic. 

I now think the Supreme Court should leave it alone. Let the election come, let Coloradans ponder their Supreme Court banning the candidate of one of our two parties from the ballot, and let Coloradan voters do something about it if they don't like that outcome. I come to this view from reading Nellie Bowles always fantastic and humorous commentary over at the Free Press

The only way to protect democracy is to end democracy: The Colorado Supreme Court decided this week that Trump is disqualified from holding the presidency and so cannot appear on the Republican primary ballot in the state. Meanwhile, California’s lieutenant governor ordered the state Supreme Court to “explore every legal option” to remove Trump from the ballot. In doing so, she said that the rules for the presidency are simple: “The constitution is clear: You must be 40 years old and not an insurrectionist.” Yet even there she is wrong: you only have to be 35. 

Anyway, for a long time the standard liberal take has been that Democracy Is Under Threat from Republicans. And Trump certainly tried schemes in Georgia and whatnot, like, the man gave it a shot. But I would say that banning the opposition party’s leading candidate. . . is pretty much the biggest threat to democracy you can do. It’s a classic one, really. Timeless. Oldie but Goodie. The American left was so committed to protecting democracy that they had to ban voting. 

All I’ll say is that once you ban the opposition party’s top candidate, you can no longer, in fact, say you’re for democracy at all. You can say you like other things: power, control, the end of voting, choosing the president you want, rule by technocratic elites chosen by SAT score, all of which I personally agree with. But you can’t say you like democracy per se.

So Colorado, listen, I dream every day of being a dictator. I would seize the local golf course and turn it into a park on day one; day two, expand Austin breakfast taco territory to the whole country; day three, invade Canada. Day four, we ban zoos. My fellow fascists, we’re on the same page. Let’s just drop the democracy stuff and call it what it is. 

But until courts pick candidates for Colorado Supreme Court, the voters of Colorado can choose if they want democracy. 

67 comments:

  1. I can't agree more. America has become a coutry of failed democracy and political retribution since 2020.

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  2. I think the easy resolution for the US Supreme Court is to declare that the Colorado action is outside of the jurisdiction of the state Courts.

    The provisions of Amendment XIV are not self executing. Under section 5 of AM XIV, Congress has the power to provide for the Amendment's enforcement. Section 1 of the Am. (due process, equal protection) has been incorporated in the various Civil Rights acts. Sections 2 (congressional apportionment), 3 (insurrections, the basis of the Colorado ruling), 4 (validity of bonds) have not been so enacted. Therefor, the states have no power to enforce the Amendment.

    Further, Trump is not on the ballot. The voters are not voting for the President. They are voting for members of the electoral college in the General Elections, or slates of delegates to political conventions. The states could only have jurisdiction over the electors or the delegates not over the man they say they support.

    The Court can also cite the political question doctrine. It is a matter for Congress to decide.

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    1. Thanks. I wondered about these legal issues. How can they bar electors who have simply pledged to vote for Trump? And you have another good point: the Constitution bars an insurrectionist from holding office, not from being on a ballot.

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    2. Really? You think it's a good idea to have Trump on the ballot, and then declare him ineligible ... when, exactly?

      Look, either we have laws or we don't. The third part of the 14th amendment establishes qualification requirements. There are many requirements to be president. You have to be of a certain age, and of a certain national origin. Do you think we should allow people who are too young or from the wrong country to appear on the ballot, and then deal with their ineligibility after they win the election?

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    3. Isn't the Colorado decision about the primary ballot? No electors involved in that; the primary is about the man himself. In any event, I don't know why the courts have jurisdiction with regard to elections held by political parties (which are not official organizations), but that's a different matter.

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    4. The Minnesota supreme court refused to consider the case for exactly that reason, nothing in the constitution says a man who's ineligible to be president can't be on a primary ballot. However, I believe the states do individually sometimes regulate or set rules about how a primary in that state is run so it could well be within the power of the Colorado state government to say that you can't be on the primary if you aren't eligible to be president. Not sure on this second point.

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    5. Worth nothing:

      https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C2-5/ALDE_00013802/

      "Ray left open the question of whether states could enforce these pledge requirements through sanctions—a question later considered in Chiafalo v. Washington."

      "In Chiafalo, the Court considered a Washington law that provided that electors who failed to comply with a pledge to vote for their party nominees would face a civil fine."

      "Three electors who were fined after breaking their pledge in the 2016 presidential election challenged the law. The Supreme Court confirmed that a state’s power to appoint an elector includes the power to condition his appointment, and further clarified that as long as no other constitutional provision prohibits it, the state’s appointment power also enables the enforcement of a pledge through a law such as Washington’s."

      So, theoretically, the state of Colorado could fine (any amount?) any elector who casts a ballot for Trump regardless of how many people actually vote for him?

      Granted, under the Chiafalo case, the Washington law ascribing a fine to "faithless" electors was already on the books.

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    6. So if Colorado were smart, they would let Trump's name on the ballot and pledge / legislate some ridiculously high fine against any elector that casts a ballot for him.

      That way they are not infringing on Trump's ability to be on the ballot or seek reelection. If Trump wants to run and pay the fines of any electors that cast ballots for him - so be it.

      He has had no problem opening his pocketbook when he feels it necessary:

      https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-judge-engoron-trial-ruling-paid-witnesses-1853670

      "Donald Trump spent nearly $1 million to pay for expert witnesses' services in his civil fraud trial..."

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    7. "The Minnesota supreme court refused to consider the case for exactly that reason, nothing in the constitution says a man who's ineligible to be president can't be on a primary ballot."

      And the Minnesota Supreme Court erred (in my opinion). While they may not be able / willing to decide on whether Trump can be on the primary ballot, they can rule whether Trump led an insurrection and can levy penalties against any prospective elector for Trump in accordance with the Supreme Court Chiafalo decision.

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  3. I don't think it's that obvious the case is weak, here's a couple of conservative legal scholars arguing that Trump should be excluded:

    Abstract
    Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion. Because of a range of misperceptions and mistaken assumptions, Section Three’s full legal consequences have not been appreciated or enforced. This article corrects those mistakes by setting forth the full sweep and force of Section Three.

    First, Section Three remains an enforceable part of the Constitution, not limited to the Civil War, and not effectively repealed by nineteenth century amnesty legislation. Second, Section Three is self-executing, operating as an immediate disqualification from office, without the need for additional action by Congress. It can and should be enforced by every official, state or federal, who judges qualifications. Third, to the extent of any conflict with prior constitutional rules, Section Three repeals, supersedes, or simply satisfies them. This includes the rules against bills of attainder or ex post facto laws, the Due Process Clause, and even the free speech principles of the First Amendment. Fourth, Section Three covers a broad range of conduct against the authority of the constitutional order, including many instances of indirect participation or support as “aid or comfort.” It covers a broad range of former offices, including the Presidency. And in particular, it disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751

    And your point on not trusting voters to not vote for a populist who wants to be a dictator, the founders had legislatures allocating electoral college votes and not the populace for exactly this reason. They also didn't trust voters to not vote for populists turned dictators.

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    1. Thanks. Great points here. There is also a left wing attack on the electoral college, and anything less than 50+1 of the popular vote is an affront to democracy. You offer one more reason for the electoral college. (Plus, forcing a broad and nationwide support.) Your point that the case may be strong is also good. I sense in the past courts might have not pushed even a strong case when it so clearly intruded into presidential politics, as the right solution is political.

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    2. Well my point was actually pretty similar to seancamp below, and your response to it as well. Whether or not Dems like or hate the electoral college they abide by the election results, and whatever Trump said or did about the last election what's important is he stopped being president.

      The judge in Colorado worrying about Trump getting due process was really weird in that context, having a judge in a court hear evidence and rule, plus having the option to appeal to a higher court IS due process!

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  4. I am not now and never have been a Democrat. I'm not saying this as a pro-Democrat partisan but as a believer in democracy. Insinuating that Democrats are equally culpable in this is wrong and very misleading. The legal actions here and elsewhere are the direct result of illegal and/or unethical acts in the part of Donald Trump to overturn elections: by conspiracy with election officers, by marching on the Capitol, by conspiring to empower illegitimate Electors, and by trying to litigate rather than win the election and so on. The chess move here was Trump's, working as hard as he can, successfully seemingly, to erode the democratic process. Democrats, sadly, have no choice but to play this game, and would be wrong not to

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    1. You are incorrect. You need to look at exactly what Trump said, and when he said it. You also need to view all the tapes of the people peacefully walking through the Capitol, with the Capitol police helping them. The Colorado court ruling wasn't based in any legal fact. It was simply liberal justices foisting their opinion on the constituents. If you see that as democracy I would disagree. That's fascism.

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  5. Sorry but Democrats are clearly FASCISTS of the 1930's European Kind! BOTH Sides...are you kidding me? The BIDENS SOLD access to government that is BLINDING OBVIOUS! What say you are the Russian Hoax Conspiracy, where DOJ, FBI, etc MADE STUFF up to attack Trump? Hillary, et al. should be IN JAIL! 50 TOP Intel officials OPENLY lied about Hunter Biden LAPTOP of CRIMES. Did you look at the CRIMES of many many Democrats from that Laptop? Russian? Democrats are FASCISTS!

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  6. Question...why are Democrats importing MILLIONS of Illegals, but to increase crime and lower wages for the poorest? Why are Democrats PUSHING drugs which have pushed suicides and drug deaths from 50,000 in 2008 when Obama was elected to over 200,000 today and SKYROCKETING HIGHER!
    It is Obvious that Democrat leaders are picked to do the MOST harm and backed by PEOPLE who wish to Destroy America and the WEST!

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  7. Sorry John but you lost your credibility on this issue when you tried to downplay Jan 6. And frankly this post isn't helping either: one "side" wants to reduce the pool of potential candidates *by* one person, one "side" wants to reduce the pool of potential candidates *to* one person, but you're still latching on to shallow "both sides" false equivalencies. It looks like you're unable to bring yourself to simply condemn the most egregiously guilty party involved because that party is not on the "side" that you typically criticize.

    From a narrower blog point of view, it's even making it hard for me to recommend e.g. your outstanding criticisms of wealth inequality research because all anyone has to do is find a post like this one as a rationale to ignore all of the other great stuff you've had to say.

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    1. January 6th was an FBI and Homeland Security Operation.
      Who says so?
      The head of the Capitol Police at the time - Steven Sund
      This was a Democrat Party deal from start to finish.

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    2. How can you expect one to make accurate assessment about Jan 6 when the majority evidence is still hidden from the public and some key witness disposition has been destroyed by the Jan 6 investigation committee?

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  8. Judges and juries, not voters, decide whether crimes have been committed. The Supremes' terms of employment include making difficult decisions. Not to decide, even narrowly, the legitimacy of the Colorado decision, which is a constitutional question, is dereliction of duty.

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  9. My view is quite a bit different. Use of the courts to settle disputes is a sign of a well functioning and rational society. Seeking redress through the court system should be viewed as a positive development - positive conditional on the current state of the system which is in sad disarray no doubt. Consider the many Hail Mary court cases brought by Trump after losing the election in an effort to overturn it. My recollection is that he lost every single case - often at the hands of judges he appointed. And those ruling stuck. Finally, this case demonstrates the brilliance of the founders in establishing a Supreme Court. This is exactly the sort of case they should take on and I expect that their decision will be derided by the losing side but abided to by all just as was Bush v. Gore and countless other divisive decisions over the years.

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    1. Thanks for this nice and calming perspective. Yes, I too was gratified to have a good legal system in place to adjudicate Trump's claims after the election. In part, that's why we need a trustworthy legal system above politics. And perhaps your benign view is right: Thank you Colorado for getting this issue up on the agenda where the Court can settle all this 14th amendment business once and for all, well before the final election.

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    2. I have no doubt we're all equally gratified to have a good legal system in place to adjudicate the circa 92 crimes Trump has been charged with. The blog post seems to imply that the charges are a form of political persecution, but what do we do if he actually did commit all or some of these crimes? Do we not charge him because of the political ramifications? Trump is getting to defend himself, he's receiving due process and that's all he's entitled to.

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  10. I agree with the outrage, and I agree that this is a kind of threat to democracy. But we need to be careful in understanding the nature of the threat. John gets it right, but let me try to frame it in a slightly different way.

    American constitutional democracy does not mean a commitment to the popular will of the moment. The Colorado Supreme Court isn’t doing a terrible thing because they disenfranchised MAGA Republicans in Colorado. They’re doing a terrible thing because they’re thwarting the clear intent of the Constitution.

    John writes that “Pushing political battles into the judicial system really is a threat to democracy.” I agree. But we need to make clear that these political battles can be pushed into the judicial system only by allowing partisans to push out of the judicial system any concern or respect for basic constitutional principles.

    If the 14th Amendment demanded that Trump be barred from the ballot, then the Colorado Supreme Court did the right thing. But of course it did not. The four Justices of the Colorado court must have known that there was no legitimate basis for their decision. They deserve our condemnation and we should all be concerned about what this means going forward.

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    1. Note that the four justices all went to Ivy League schools. The three dissenting judges did not.

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  11. https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2020/09/storm-coming.html

    September 19, 2020: Worried about peaceful transfer of power from "both sides," which is the most essential function of democracy.

    January 06, 2021: crickets

    https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2023/10/political-prisoner-dilemma.html

    October 18, 2023: January 6th rioters weren't serious because reasons, therefore "both sides."

    https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2023/12/politics-by-law.html

    December 20, 2023: No seriously, "both sides" because that guy who tried to overthrow US democracy and poses the biggest threat to US democracy since FDR wasn't serious because reasons and shouldn't be treated accordingly.

    Come on man, you can't feign concern for democracy while simultaneously bending over backwards to not highlight, much less acknowledge, where the most pressing threat is coming from.

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  12. Colorado is not a State that voted for Trump, and even in 2016 he got only 43%. If only anti-Trump States do not place his Electors on the ballot, what difference will it make? Trump will still get his Electoral votes. The real question will be whether a Biden2020 State might go for Trump in 2024. If the polls indicate Trump could win there, a cowardly State legislature might not want to follow Colorado. Lincon won under worse odds.

    Then the fun begins in the newly elected House of Representatives. If Trump is really popular enough, the newly elected House will put him into office. Only then would the issue of “self-executing 3rd” arise. And it would be Chief Justice Roberts’ decision whether to swear him in, or not.

    The upcoming redistricting cases will determine the 2025 House distribution. Trump’s coattails may be long enough, but any 3rd party nominee who carried one State could be the House compromise choice.

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    1. It might matter in a state like Maine that splits it's electoral votes.

      "Maine had its first split in 2016, when Donald Trump won Maine's 2nd District, which covers most of the state away from Portland, Augusta and nearby coastal areas. Statewide, Maine last voted Republican in 1988."

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    2. And speak of the devil.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/politics/trump-maine-14th-amendment-ballot/index.html

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    3. And speak of the devil.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/politics/trump-maine-14th-amendment-ballot/index.html

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  13. The courts never allowed cases disputing election results to move forward. Media, and Democrats did everything they could to muzzle critics, or people that came up with data disputing the results.

    Because of this, there was no transparent objective look at anything. If cases were allowed to proceed, discovery could have taken place and cases presented to judges or juries. America would have seen the evidence. Transparency would have been followed by trust. Then, the conclusions could have been reached by individuals. Instead, we have conspiracy theories and accusations. That undermines a democratic republic more than anything. It gives momentum to Trump since more and more, people have lost faith in institutions and frankly given the institutions you can't blame them (See Harvard's President for but one example)

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  14. No one should be considered guilty until proven innocent.
    Even Trump.

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    1. The majority of Republicans and Democrats thought otherwise when they voted to oust George Santos from the House of Representatives.

      Not saying he shouldn't have been removed, but there is a great amount of hypocrisy in politics.

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    2. The House has the explicit power to remove Santos from his seat, which they used. There was no need for a guilty verdict to exercise that power either.

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    3. Yancey,

      https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C2-5/ALDE_00013802/

      "The Supreme Court confirmed that a state’s power to appoint an elector includes the power to condition his appointment, and further clarified that as long as no other constitutional provision prohibits it, the state’s appointment power also enables the enforcement of a pledge through a law such as Washington’s."

      And so while the state of Colorado may not have been within it's powers to remove Trump from the ballot, they can certainly punish any elector that casts a ballot for Trump.

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    4. The comment was in regards to "innocent until proven guilty". Santos had not been proven guilty when he was ousted.

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  15. Reading these comments, the main stream media has made people delusional.

    No artwork in the Capitol was even damaged on Jan 6 and the only people who died at the Capitol on that day were protesters. One of whom was unarmed and shot at point blank range. Also, not one mention of when a Capitol police officer was killed a few weeks later by a terrorist.

    Agree with Jon on this topic. Too much power with the executive branch and because of that the stakes of the elections have gotten too high. Combine that with a legal system that is no longer unbiased and this is the result.

    One solution not discussed is to make elections more secure. The result of the election needs to be self-evidently correct. It's clear that the 2020 election was weird because their was a pandemic.

    Why does it take a week to count votes in the USA? Why not bring back voter ID and ask everyone to vote in person?

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  16. To be consistent you must have disapproved of the Supreme court making bush President yes?
    to be honest the USA is a failed state. Unlike Australia you do not have an independent commision which recommends electorates. Hence you have states gerrymandering electorates. you have one party that has developed into a cult.
    You had a President that tried to overturn an election. Other countries have now copied this disgraceful action.
    True conservatives will applaud this decision. False ones will not.

    Trump should never be allowed near an election. without him Biden can retire gracefully and you Yanks can attempt to vote for some-one who is somewhat new.

    A court has found that same person was involved in an insurrection but he was not an officer absurdly. The CSC overturned that.

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    1. While I believe Bush v. Gore was wrongly taken as a case and decided, the Supreme Court did not make Bush President- he was going to be President regardless of what the decision was because there were no reasonable scenarios by which Gore was going to overcome the 500 vote lead in Florida after 3 recounts. If SCOTUS had not intervened, the best case scenario for Gore is that neither slate of electors is certified leaving both candidates without the necessary 270 to win, and the House as constituted on January 6th 2001 would have decided the election by the method outlined in the Constitution with, again, Bush winning. SCOTUS's mistake in Bush v. Gore was in not directing the matter directly to the House of Representatives where the Constitution mandates such disputes to be settled.

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    2. US election system has been non-transparent, easy to manipulate and very difficult to audit. The 2000 Florida election was obviously manipulated by clever engineering work. The Bush vs. Kerry in Ohio was also problematic with the challenging case ended with the accidental death of a key witness. After voting machines were used, even democratic senators complained about the election security. But after the chaotic 2020 election, democratic party and the major media insist the election was perfect. Even the election done by Taiwan is way more transparent and reliable. Every other countries laugh at US election system and only some Americans still pretend "we are the best!" Without solving the root cause, the legal battles pour gasolines on fire. The US institutions seem to loss the will and courage to correct the fundamental problem.

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  17. Professor Cochrane, I understand your fears and concerns, but I don’t think you’re giving these justices enough credit. The legal issues involved here are extraordinarily confounding, and there are plenty of leading experts on each side. Whether you agree with them or not, it’s clear the justices were taking the questions involved seriously. I urge you to do so as well.

    Most importantly, I’ll say this: there’s a common refrain among many commentators that “If you don’t like Donald Trump, the best way, for the sake of the country, to beat him is at the ballot box.” Some of your language strikes me as being in the same spirit as this stock phrase I see being parroted by many (apologies if I’m misreading you).

    And I’m sorry, but such a sentiment is extremely naive. Beating Donald Trump at the ballot box is exactly what we did in 2020, and look what happened. At the very center of Trump’s political movement is questioning the legitimacy of our electoral process. Beating him another time at the ballot box is not going to change that.

    You say about the ruling, “As a partisan chess move, you can't help but admire it.” Putting aside the “partisan” dig (the Colorado Supreme Court is not as partisan as you might think — a bipartisan committee draws up the shortlist for potential justices before the governor gets a say), there’s a psychological insight lurking in what you said. Indeed, even a person inclined to disagree will still “admire” an authoritative judicial ruling. Giving into MAGA by pulling fully available legal punches and self-flagellatingly “only beating them at the ballot box” will not garner their respect; however high-minded it may seem, ultimately it is weak, and they can sense it.

    But laying down the law — when the law is the United States Constitution — garners begrudging respect. It may be our only hope.

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  18. Is Trump an insurrectionist? Isn't that what a court must determine? Using the reasoning the Colorado court used to remove Trump, couldn't Texas, Arizona, New Mexico or California courts remove Joe Biden from the ballot? Does the policy of open borders that allow criminals to enter the US imply Biden is also an insurrectionist? A bit absurd.

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  19. Please look at the plain language of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. It only requires engaging in an insurrection or rebellion to be disqualified from office. It does not require conviction. Congress could have passed laws enforcing this provision, e.g. specifying how and who could determine whether an individual engaged in an insurrection. But Congress has not done it. Therefore, the courts and Government officials are only bound by the language of the Constitution. Due process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments (here, Section 1 of the 14th Amendment is important, as it covers state actions) extend only to deprivation of life, liberty, or property. Trump had a trial in state court and then he had an opportunity to appeal. It will be hard for the Supreme Court to hold that he is entitled to some other proceedings or application of certain different standards, because the 14th Amendment plainly does nor require it. In fact, a simple determination by the Attorney General of Colorado would have been enough, as long as Trump had an opportunity to appear and argue his case. The Supreme Court is an appellate court. It does not have a jurisdiction to hold trials, so the Justices generally check if there was enough evidence for a reasonable person to make a given determination and do not disturb trial judge findings.

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    1. The insurrection clause doesn't even require you engaged in insurrection to be disqualified. "Giving comfort" is enough, that could be almost anything and surely Trump is guilty of that.

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    2. "Due process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments (here, Section 1 of the 14th Amendment is important, as it covers state actions) extend only to deprivation of life, liberty, or property. "

      This is an important point, the right to appear on any election ballot, primary or otherwise, is hardly a constitutionally protected right. In fact, it's not a right at all but a privilege that can be revoked.

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    3. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-9/#:~:text=Ninth%20Amendment%20Unenumerated%20Rights,others%20retained%20by%20the%20people.

      "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

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    4. Not enough. Specific governs the general (a basic rule of legal interpretation).

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  20. "But I would say that banning the opposition party’s leading candidate. . . is pretty much the biggest threat to democracy you can do. It’s a classic one, really. Timeless. Oldie but Goodie. The American left was so committed to protecting democracy that they had to ban voting. "

    Ignoring how he conflates banning a single candidate with banning voting the fact is, as was pointed out above, neither a universal franchise nor a universal right to be President are in the constitution and certainly in the case of voting the founders clearly didn't intend to enfranchise everyone, or even that much of the populace. The move to a near universal franchise is a very recent innovation in the history of democracy.

    The right to vote is also one that can be revoked for committing certain crimes (in most states you get it back after you complete your sentence but in some it's revoked permanently). It then certainly stands to reason that the "right" to run for or be President can also be revoked and the insurrection clause details when that should happen. We can legitimately disagree on whether what Trump did falls under the purview of this particular clause but not on the idea that the constitution does explicitly disqualify you if you engage in insurrection or even just give comfort to those who do.

    How can it possibly be an attack on democracy to respect the constitution? Please explain.

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  21. Actually, John, most of your commenters are just flat out wrong, even if polite. If the Colorado court's decision is legitimate, then nothing, literally nothing, bars any other court from removing candidates from the ballot by invoking Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. Most of your commenters seem to believe that it is obvious on its face that Trump is an insurrectionist and thus that court can remove him from the ballot in Colorado, but that is a subjective standard of evidence and believed by 4 out of 7 judges on that court. These very same commenters would be livid were the Democrat candidate removed from the Texas ballot on the same invocation of insurrection- sure, they would object that it wouldn't be obvious on its face that the Democrat candidate were guilty of insurrection, but that is, again, a subjective evaluation and it always comes down to which party has more judges on a particular court. This is a recipe for chaos, and it demands that SCOTUS reprimand harshly and quickly these tactics or endorse them completely by a 9-0 vote and remove Trump from the ballot nationwide. There is no sitting on the fence on this one.

    As for the section of the 14th Amendment itself, it definitely cannot be read as self-executing- there always has to be a political body that defines what insurrection is and on whom it applies. The Colorado Court took it upon itself to make this definition within the boundaries of Colorado, thus even here the judges clearly understood that they were the ones executing the section of the amendment with regards to Trump. Any clear-headed reading of section 3 and section 5 of the amendment demonstrates that it is Congress and Congress alone that has the right and the power to execute this provision, and until they do Trump must remain on the ballot- the amendment confers this power to no other body.

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    1. "Most of your commenters seem to believe that it is obvious on its face that Trump is an insurrectionist and thus that court can remove him from the ballot in Colorado, but that is a subjective standard of evidence and believed by 4 out of 7 judges on that court."

      Most believe that absent legislative language, it is up to the courts (including the Colorado court) to determine whether Trump led an insurrection. The Colorado court in a 4-3 decision, decided that Trump was guilty of such an offense.

      That being said, the Colorado court likely overstepped it's bounds in removing Trump from the primary ballot for reasons described above.

      1. The Colorado Republican primary ballot does not ultimately determine who will become the President of the United States (one cog in a very large machine). And so it is impossible for the state of Colorado alone to dish out the punishment (ineligible for Presidency) ascribed by the Constitution.

      2. Trump can argue that the Colorado Court infringed upon his 9th Amendment right to seek the office of the Presidency.

      3. Colorado could instead have instituted a sufficiently large fine against any prospective elector considering casting a ballot for Trump (in line with the Chiafolo decision).

      "Any clear-headed reading of section 3 and section 5 of the amendment demonstrates that it is Congress and Congress alone that has the right and the power to execute this provision, and until they do Trump must remain on the ballot- the amendment confers this power to no other body."

      Perhaps so, but the state of Colorado still retains the power to "condition the appointment of electors" per the Chiafalo decision.

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    2. Full Metal Jacket (1987 Film)

      Gunnery Sergeant Hartman:

      "Private Pyle has dishonored himself and dishonored the platoon. I have tried to help him. But I have failed. I have failed because YOU have not helped me. YOU people have not given Private Pyle the proper motivation! So, from now on, whenever Private Pyle fucks up, I will not punish him! I will punish all of YOU!"

      Instead of punishing Trump, punish any prospective elector that thinks about casting a ballot for Trump.

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    3. "1. The Colorado Republican primary ballot does not ultimately determine who will become the President of the United States (one cog in a very large machine). And so it is impossible for the state of Colorado alone to dish out the punishment (ineligible for Presidency) ascribed by the Constitution."

      You are incorrect here, in fact exactly the opposite is true. The Colorado court, and every other court, has a duty to enforce the constitution.

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    4. In fact, here's an sentence from the abstract of a paper written by two conservative legal scholars (paper here https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751)

      "Second, Section Three is self-executing, operating as an immediate disqualification from office, without the need for additional action by Congress. It can and should be enforced by every official, state or federal, who judges qualifications. "

      I also posted the entire abstract in a comment above.

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    5. "You are incorrect here, in fact exactly the opposite is true. The Colorado court, and every other court, has a duty to enforce the constitution."

      The Michigan State Supreme Court sidestepped the issue.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/27/politics/michigan-supreme-court-rejects-insurrectionist-ban-case-trump/index.html

      "The Michigan Court of Claims judge who first got the case said state law doesn’t give election officials any leeway to police the eligibility of presidential primary candidates."

      "His decision was upheld by the Michigan Court of Appeals, which said: At the moment, the only event about to occur is the presidential primary election. But as explained, whether Trump is disqualified is irrelevant to his placement on that particular ballot.”

      "Unlike in Colorado, the Michigan courts rejected the case wholly on procedural grounds. They never reached the questions of whether January 6 was an insurrection and whether Trump engaged in it."

      The Chiafalo Supreme Court decision does grant the state the power to "condition" it's slate of electors.

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    6. Yes, the Michigan Supreme Court arguably failed to do its duty. However:

      Ron Fein, the legal director of Free Speech For People, which filed the lawsuit seeking to disqualify Mr. Trump, said the Michigan Supreme Court ruled narrowly, sidestepping the core questions at the heart of the case.

      But, he noted in a statement, “The Michigan Supreme Court did not rule out that the question of Donald Trump’s disqualification for engaging in insurrection against the U.S. Constitution may be resolved at a later stage.”

      That's from https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/us/michigan-trump-ballot.html

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    7. The constitution is clear, we cannot reasonably debate whether or not an insurrectionist should be disqualified. We can only debate whether or not Trump is an insurrectionist.

      Saying that it's impossible for Colorado alone to "dish our the punishment" is incorrect both because Colorado has a duty to uphold the constitution irrespective of if anyone else does as well and because disqualification isn't punishment, it's mechanism (like impeachment) to protect the population from the President.

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    8. "The constitution is clear, we cannot reasonably debate whether or not an insurrectionist should be disqualified. We can only debate whether or not Trump is an insurrectionist."

      Disqualified by who? Congress? The various state legislatures? The court system?

      https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-ii/clauses/350

      Suppose 25 state legislatures debate, determine that Trump is an insurrectionist, and vote to remove Trump from the ballot.

      The other 25 debate, determine that Trump is not an insurrectionist, and vote to keep him on the ballot.

      "Saying that it's impossible for Colorado alone to dish our the punishment is incorrect both because Colorado has a duty to uphold the constitution irrespective of if anyone else does as well and because disqualification isn't punishment, it's mechanism (like impeachment) to protect the population from the President."

      Regardless, the simple fact is that Colorado acting alone cannot fulfill the mechanism prescribed in the Constitution - that is all I was saying.

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    9. yes, yes, yes. The constitution doesn't proscribe who enforces the disqualification, the entire government is obligated to uphold the constitution.

      IF it had actually turned out to be true that Obama wasn't born in the US would he have been disqualified? By whom? Well, the Supreme Court could, and in fact was given the chance because some guy in Pennsylvania filed a brief with them. Congress could. IF Obama wasn't qualified the states could have kept him off their ballots, as Colorado and Maine state law requires (and presumably lots of states).

      And, addressing the blog post and in particular the update, would it have been undemocratic to have excluded Obama IF he wasn't born in the US? Of course not, because the constitution says you can't be president if you weren't born in the USA. The constitution also says you can't be president if you have engaged in insurrection.

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  22. "Any clear-headed reading of section 3 and section 5 of the amendment demonstrates that it is Congress and Congress alone that has the right and the power to execute this provision..."

    Congress and Congress alone has the sole right and the power to prevent a prospective candidate from assuming the office of the President, even if elected to such a position.

    Congress does NOT have the sole right to determine if an individual was guilty of participating in an insurrection.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_proceedings_in_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack#:~:text=Of%20those%20that%20went%20to,were%20acquitted%20of%20all%20charges.

    "On March 2, 2022, Oath Keeper Joshua James pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, admitting in his plea that from November 2020 through January 2021, he conspired with other Oath Keeper members and affiliates to use force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the laws of the United States governing the transfer of presidential power."

    Joshua James plead guilty in the district court of D.C. (not in Congressional testimony):

    https://www.justice.gov/d9/james_joshua_-_signed_statement_of_offense_0.pdf

    I presume that seditious conspiracy and participating in an insurrection are equivalent without mincing word meanings.

    And so if Joshua James can plead guilty to seditious conspiracy in a DC District court, then Donald Trump can be found guilty of insurrection by a Colorado Court.

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  23. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1Ze5qIYyuY

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  24. Here's a professor of law at the University of Maryland:

    "Trump’s supporters say the president is neither an “officer under the United States” nor an “officer of the United States” as specified in Section 3. Therefore, they say, he is exempt from its provisions.

    But in fact, both common sense and history demonstrate that Trump was an officer, an officer of the United States and an officer under the United States for constitutional purposes. Most people, even lawyers and constitutional scholars like me, do not distinguish between those specific phrases in ordinary discourse. The people who framed and ratified Section 3 saw no distinction. Exhaustive research by Trump supporters has yet to produce a single assertion to the contrary that was made in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War. Yet scholars John Vlahoplus and Gerard Magliocca are daily producing newspaper and other reports asserting that presidents are covered by Section 3.

    Significant numbers of Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate agreed that Donald Trump violated his oath of office immediately before, during and immediately after the events of Jan. 6, 2021. Most Republican senators who voted against his conviction did so on the grounds that they did not have the power to convict a president who was no longer in office. Most of them did not dispute that Trump participated in an insurrection. "

    https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/20/does-14th-amendment-bar-trump-from-office-a-constitutional-scholar-explains-colorado-ruling/

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  25. Here's an interesting question. Suppose the supreme court upholds the Colorado disqualification, does that mean all the states then must disqualify him? After all, wouldn't the supreme court have just ruled that Trump is in fact disqualified by the insurrection clause?

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    1. Not necessarily.

      The Trump people could challenge the ability of the Colorado to disqualify without addressing the insurrection charge brought against him.

      A defendant is certainly within his right to challenge the punishment while acknowledging the offense.

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  26. "But until courts pick candidates for Colorado Supreme Court, the voters of Colorado can choose if they want democracy."

    Judging from this conclusory statement, one would infer that a finding at law is deemed anti-democratic if it finds against a party's candidate irrespective of the evidence.

    The lower court found D. J. Trump to be an insurrectionist. The Colorado Supreme Court didn't overturn that finding. The lower court ruled that section 3 of the 14th Amendment did not apply to the former president because, as the court stated, the former president was not found to be "an officer of the United States" who had sworn/affirmed "to uphold the Constitution". The majority of the Colorado Supreme Court overturned the lower court's finding, stating that the president of the United States (a) swore/affirmed an oath to defend the Constitution (the president is the Commander in Chief of the United States armed forces, so it falls to the president to defend the Constitution, whereas a senator or a representative is required to uphold the Constitution); (b) the president is an officer of the United States, in the ordinary meaning of that phrase and based on historical statements in the record of former presidents asserting that they were(are) officers of the United States.

    It is not the de jure finding that the former president is an insurrectionist that scuttled the Colorado Republican Party's bid to qualify their preferred candidate to be added to the Republican primary ballot, but the Supreme Court's finding that the president is an officer of the United States who swore/affirmed to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    The question at this point, if an appeal to the Supreme Court is made and accepted by four SC justices, is whether or not the Colorado Supreme Court erred in finding that the president is an officer of the United States who swore/affirmed to uphold the Constitution.

    The Colorado Supreme Court was deciding a case based on the State of Colorado's Election Act which requires that the Colorado Sec. of State put qualified candidates for office on the Colorado Republican primary ballot by January 5th, 2024. The question was whether Sec. of State in adding D. J. Trump to the ballot as a qualified candidate would cause the Sec. of State to commit a wrong under the State's legislation, the Election Act.

    This is an eminently "democratic" process and the question goes to the heart of what democracy is about -- putting an unqualified candidate on the ballot would be a legal wrong that discredits the State's election process.

    The lower court found D. J. Trump to be an insurrectionist because the petitioners alleged that he was and provided evidence to that effect to the court, and D. J. Trump did not answer the allegation before the court. Hence the de jure finding that D. J. Trump is an insurrectionist. It is difficult to see where the U.S. Supreme Court could find error in law with the lower court's finding on this point, when due process was followed.

    But, these are interesting times, and perhaps a conservative court will grant the appeal and find the Colorado courts erred. The remedy at that point might be an order to retry the petitioners' case in the lower court, or it might be an order to add D. J. Trump to the Colorado Republican primary election ballot. If the latter, then "democracy" might be served but the law is upended.

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  27. This essay is 100% correct:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/voices-it-s-not-up-to-the-voters-to-decide-if-trump-can-run-for-president/ar-AA1mmLG8?ocid=socialshare&pc=HCTS&cvid=519eb4a8ae5b446899be34411458ef6e&ei=13

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